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20/20 IFB take 3

Posted by Bob Hayton on
April 12th, 2011

I’ve been at The Gospel Coalition Conference and so haven’t been reading up on lots of the debate over the 20/20 IFB scandal anymore. I actually started typing up a response to someone’s question about this on my blog and ended up writing so much that it should be it’s own post. So here’s my latest thoughts on the 20/20 IFB scandal.

Q: Bob, as a former IFBer, where are you both logically and emotionally on this 20/20 debacle?

A: I don’t condone a wholesale rejection of IFB churches. I said so in this and the next post I made on this topic. I do think that some have been so harmed by bad IFB churches or people, that they have a hard time when it comes to assessing the movement as a whole. They read their experience into it all. The problem is that so many have had such similar experiences from so many different IFB churches and groups within the larger IFB movement, that there is a level of credence to some of these broad brush statements made by some.

ABWE recently did an about face and admitted they covered up a sex scandal of their own but have since made huge changes. That was refreshing to see their willingness to own up to their downfall and allowing of a culture of abuse, and their desire to repent and take radical steps to bring lasting change. That is a healthy institutional change that can serve as a pattern for fundamentalism.

Do IFB churches have enough checks and balances built in? I think most don’t. Work can be done and organizations can work to change.

Technically, IFB churches are independent and distinct. But try disagreeing with one IFB church in a public way…. See if many IFB churches will be willing to have anything to do with you. There is a certain groupthink mindset common to them at one level or another.

So for some, Zichterman’s IFB Cult survivors group is a help. It might keep them from abandoning the faith and help them in sorting out what they went through. But lashing out and blaming all IFB churches as a whole isn’t productive or healthy and that happens at that group. But responding with an attitude that says we have no problems, and that is someone else’s problem not ours, doesn’t help either. There may be no direct blame, but IFB churches all populate the same culture and mindset. And that needs to change. The environment that lets pastors say wild things about child raising. Things such as were said at the church I went to school at, which are not all that dissimilar to the clips played of Jack Schaap in the report…. That stuff shouldn’t be left to stand. The people in the pew go a step further in their desire to follow the “preacher” and that’s where abuse can happen. It has happened. Often. Lots of places. And pretending that it doesn’t happen doens’t help.

Not every IFB church promotes this. But many will not separate from those churches and ministries that promote this authoritarian, “man of Gawd”, spiritual abuse mentality. Often it’s politics, plain and simple. There is a church politics about who not to offend and what not to do. And basically mums the word about abuse scandals. Preacher is always innocent until proven guilty (and then it’s a stacked jury full of liberals, most likely). We don’t help the abused victims well, we hush hush and cover up sin of all kinds. We don’t practice Biblical church discipline. The problems of the IFB movement go on and on.

There are exceptions to this. But generally speaking, from all over the IFB movement, the IFB churches in general find it much easier to separate with churches and people on their left, than those among them or to the right of them, who promote an unhealthy sectarianism, authoritarianism, and other abuses. I’m not the only one noticing this. Dr. Dave Doran recently said much the same thing of his (what I would say good side of fundamentalism). They won’t separate from the cooks and wackos on the right. Pastor Bob Bixby has noticed this too.

I currently don’t go to an IFB church. I think too much independence is a bad thing. I still am a fundamentalist in principle, but the application of separation has room for a diversity of practice in my view.

Emotionally, I’m sickened by the abuse. I watched the show thinking how believable the story was. Everything I’ve encountered in my history with the IFB — scandals in two or three of the churches I’ve been in, incidents swept under the rug or not handled correctly — leans me toward accepting Tina’s tale as is. I know there’s another side to the story. It might be true. But as a big shot in fundamentalism, this pastor has every reason to sidestep the difficult questions and dodge the bullet. I don’t see apologies or sadness over what happened from that side of the story. I see defense. I am angered by this, too. I think of many people I know who have jettisoned from Christianity altogether due to their sinful response to the spiritual or physical abuse they received at the hands of fundamentalism. Yes they are wrong to react the way they do, but they have also been wronged.

I am encouraged by positive reactions by some to this issue. Some fundamentalist leaders are sickened by it and are not excusing things. They aren’t fighting for loopholes. They aren’t condemning the pastor since the investigation is pending, but aren’t rushing to his defense. They also aren’t sidestepping the problem and acting like it doesn’t exist in fundamentalism. That is a healthy sign and it’s proof that there are good IFB churches out there.

Hope this answers your question and explains where I’m coming from. This is all I’m going to say on this topic for a while until more facts come to light on this. I’m going to try to enjoy my conference, now!

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Categories : Contemporary Christianity, Fundamentalism, IFBx
Tags : 20/20, ABC, ABC News, ABC News 20/20, abuse, Chuck Phelps, commentary, follow up, IFB, IFBx, more, News, Pastor, physical abuse, prevention, protect, safeguard, safety, sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, Tina Anderson, victim

Comments

  1. C A Watson says:
    April 13, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Bob,

    Thank you for this excellently balanced response. I do not currently attend or work in what would be called an “IFB” church (Fundamentalism is somewhat of an American phenomenon, and I work with a Chinese congregation). However, I would currently still consider myself a fundamentalist – by holding to the idea of fundamentalism – an absolute defense of the gospel, alongside of a doctrinal triage (I have friends who are Calvinist and Arminian – dispensationalists and Covenant theologians). I appreciate the ministry that your church has within the Cities – and I wouldn’t have a problem attending (although the music would make me a bit uncomfortable – and for that reason, I probably wouldn’t become a member – but I wouldn’t fault you for it) due to the theological positions of the church. Fundamentalism (if there is such a thing left), must change in multiple ways:

    1. The means of leadership must change from leading with a fist of iron (even if covered by a velvet glove) to leading by teaching and example.
    2. Elders/Pastors are not above rebuke – if there are two legitimate witnesses against them.
    3. Abuse needs to be understood within its legal context. (i.e. in Minnesota, spanking is legal – with an open hand, and possibly with an implement, depending on how the laws are defined, as long as the action is not done in anger and as long as the action is done with regard to the physical safety of the child)
    https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/state/
    4. Certain precautions need to be taken against abuse within the church (Mandatory background checks for workers, abuse policies and protocols, etc.).
    5. We need to begin to think of separation in terms of circles of possible fellowship – yes, we can gather around the gospel (Carefully defined and understood) for some events. A necessary separation may occur in some events over cessationism, music (or deference can take over in this case), dispensationalism (I wouldn’t invite a covenant theologian to my church to teach eschatology), ecclesiology (I wouldn’t have a person who was baptized as an infant be a member of my church).

    • C A Watson says:
      April 13, 2011 at 12:14 am

      Reposting to subscribe…

    • Josh says:
      April 13, 2011 at 7:20 am

      Good stuff. But, why does it take tragedy to bring these things about? All five of your ideas are great, but they should already be in practice! I am tired of everything we do being a reaction to something else. Can we not think for ourselves and in advance of an issue, foresee the evil and institute safeguards like these before we end up on national news? Sheesh! It is a dark day for me, an admitted IFBer when people like Jack Schaap are the face of my movement. So, the question arises, do we lower the flag of the IFB and start over, or do we try to reform (and I use that word in its strictest definition) or purify what has become a scarred movement? Love to hear your thoughts…

      • Bob Hayton says:
        April 13, 2011 at 1:53 pm

        Agreed… You don’t have to wait. Work for positive change where you are. Leaving isn’t necessarily the answer.

    • Bob Hayton says:
      April 13, 2011 at 1:52 pm

      Thanks, Chris.

  2. C A Watson says:
    April 13, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Josh,

    Interestingly enough, every IFB church of which I have ever been a member has practiced these things for years. I’ve had multiple background checks done on me. I’ve gotten books of policies and procedures. I’ve been made to watch countless DVDs/VHSs on preventing child abuse within the ministry. I’ve sat through lectures on legal issues within children’s ministries – within IFB churches.

    With respect to gentle leadership? I have seen both sides here.

  3. Michael Dunlop says:
    April 14, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    The one thing that bothered me about the documentary was how they kept saying “IFB” as if it was some sort of organization or denomination. The letter “I” stands for independent obviously. I go to a church that is ‘independent,’ ‘fundamental,’ and ‘baptist’ but would in no way support this type of coverup etc. There are many independent fundamental baptist churches which are completely different than that… that’s more the kjvo, right-wing, sword of the lord type.

    It wasn’t simply that they ‘broadbrushed’ but they actually made it sound like “IFB” was something… there is no such thing as “IFB”. Anyone who believes anything could put a sign out that says they are an independent fundamental baptist church (westboro baptist church for example) but NO ONE would say that were in any way associated with them!

    It was a very dishonest, and biased documentary work.

  4. Bob says:
    April 14, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Bob,
    Thanks for your calm and balanced approach. I do think you might be giving ABWE a little too much credit at this point – they have chosen the GRACE organization (as requested by the MKs) to do an investigation of the Donn Ketcham matter, but the phrase “made huge changes” is premature. That is my hope, but it is not a present reality.

  5. Andrew Suttles says:
    May 24, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Bob –

    I saw on SI.com that Tina and Phelps were on the stand today in this infamous rape case.

    In related news, IFB Pastor Christopher Settlemoir (of our home state) was convicted today of sexual assault. We IFBs are, sadly, giving the Catholics a good run for most perverse ministers.

    • Bob Hayton says:
      May 24, 2011 at 3:26 pm

      Yes, Andrew. Very sad indeed….

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