Comments on: Understanding the Land Promise: Part 1 http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/ Reforming Fundamentalism (IFB) through Reformed Theology Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:35:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David Pyle http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8419 David Pyle Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:52:05 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8419 Hello Joel, Please email me at proverbsc9v10-shop@yahoo.com Thanks for sharing Sovereign God Ministries link. I'm reading Understanding Covenant Theology. David. Hello Joel,
Please email me at proverbsc9v10-shop@yahoo.com
Thanks for sharing Sovereign God Ministries link. I’m reading Understanding Covenant Theology.
David.

]]> By: Joel http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8439 Joel Sun, 21 Dec 2008 03:51:50 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8439 David - I don't mean to pry but I know of a David Pyle that is/was a missionary to Israel. Would that be you? Joel. www.sovereigngod.wordpress.com David – I don’t mean to pry but I know of a David Pyle that is/was a missionary to Israel. Would that be you?
Joel.
http://www.sovereigngod.wordpress.com

]]> By: fundyreformed http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8421 fundyreformed Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:05:42 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8421 Thanks for the kind words, David. Blessings to you and your family. Thanks for the kind words, David. Blessings to you and your family.

]]> By: David Pyle http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8420 David Pyle Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:40:19 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8420 Dear Brother Hyton, I thank the Lord for this study that illuminates the meaning of the Land. Raised in deep dispensationalism, now reformed, I am seeing the difference between the physical types and the eternal spiritual realities they point to. Thank you for taking the time to put this site and study together. ~David Dear Brother Hyton,

I thank the Lord for this study that illuminates the meaning of the Land. Raised in deep dispensationalism, now reformed, I am seeing the difference between the physical types and the eternal spiritual realities they point to.
Thank you for taking the time to put this site and study together.

~David

]]> By: irishanglican http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8418 irishanglican Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:41:48 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8418 NWProdigal Hey mate, I am certainly more inclined to an A- Mill position at the present. But, I must confess I am interested in the historic pre-mill also. This has nothing to do with dispensationalism, however. But I do wonder about the Jewish people? I cannot escape a covenant of grace perhaps for the Jewish people in Romans 11. But there are many good A-Mill writers, theologians, etc., who see this also. I have a book in my library: Regnum Caelorum - Patterns of Millennial Thought in Early Christianity, by Charles E. Hill (2001). This book is the most scholarly book of its kind that I have seen on the subject. The author is non-chiliasm also, but is fair with the very early Apostolic Fathers, those both chiliasm and those not. Fr. Robert NWProdigal

Hey mate, I am certainly more inclined to an A- Mill position at the present. But, I must confess I am interested in the historic pre-mill also. This has nothing to do with dispensationalism, however. But I do wonder about the Jewish people? I cannot escape a covenant of grace perhaps for the Jewish people in Romans 11. But there are many good A-Mill writers, theologians, etc., who see this also.

I have a book in my library: Regnum Caelorum – Patterns of Millennial Thought in Early Christianity, by Charles E. Hill (2001). This book is the most scholarly book of its kind that I have seen on the subject. The author is non-chiliasm also, but is fair with the very early Apostolic Fathers, those both chiliasm and those not.

Fr. Robert

]]> By: NWProdigal http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8417 NWProdigal Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:31:24 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8417 Irish and Bob, I am glad to see your positions defined more closely to what I believe is consistent with scripture. Then again, one must always be willing to be corrected by truth. Thanks for the book recommendation everyone! I'll try to check that out. I honestly believe that Revelation, if taken for what it says in the introduction (things which must shortly come to pass) and the repeated emphasis on "THE day of the Lord", "His return", and other singular uses of those terms, supports A-Millenialism as the only interpretation that doesn't require scripture twisting to support it. It is very difficult to construe Matthew 24:15-22 as anything but near future for the disciples. Enjoying the conversation and the articles Bob! Irish and Bob,

I am glad to see your positions defined more closely to what I believe is consistent with scripture. Then again, one must always be willing to be corrected by truth. Thanks for the book recommendation everyone! I’ll try to check that out.

I honestly believe that Revelation, if taken for what it says in the introduction (things which must shortly come to pass) and the repeated emphasis on “THE day of the Lord”, “His return”, and other singular uses of those terms, supports A-Millenialism as the only interpretation that doesn’t require scripture twisting to support it. It is very difficult to construe Matthew 24:15-22 as anything but near future for the disciples.

Enjoying the conversation and the articles Bob!

]]> By: fundyreformed http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8424 fundyreformed Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:09:56 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8424 Fr. Robert, I haven't seen that, but if Nathan Pitchford endorses it.... I'm all in. Actually, your quote you gave sounds right on, as well. I've read the introduction of Vern Poythress' small little commentary on Revelation, The Returning King (P&R), and I highly recommend that. Poythress finds bits of truth in all the major interpretive schemes of Revelation, but is basically idealist in his outlook. He is also the one who pushed me into amillennialism with his paper on 2 Thess. 1. Thanks for the recommendation. Thanks also, Nathan, for commenting. I hope my series here is coherent and making sense. Bob Fr. Robert,

I haven’t seen that, but if Nathan Pitchford endorses it…. I’m all in. Actually, your quote you gave sounds right on, as well.

I’ve read the introduction of Vern Poythress’ small little commentary on Revelation, The Returning King (P&R), and I highly recommend that. Poythress finds bits of truth in all the major interpretive schemes of Revelation, but is basically idealist in his outlook. He is also the one who pushed me into amillennialism with his paper on 2 Thess. 1.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Thanks also, Nathan, for commenting. I hope my series here is coherent and making sense.

Bob

]]> By: Pitchford http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8423 Pitchford Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:11:10 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8423 Fr. Robert, I have spent a little time in Beale's commentary (NIGTC), and I can only endorse your recommendation -- very helpful. Anyway, interesting discussion -- and good original post. I'm following with interest. Nathan Fr. Robert,

I have spent a little time in Beale’s commentary (NIGTC), and I can only endorse your recommendation — very helpful.

Anyway, interesting discussion — and good original post. I’m following with interest.

Nathan

]]> By: irishanglican http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8422 irishanglican Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:54:07 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8422 Bob, Have you seen or read G.K. (Kelly) Beale's NIGTC ...The Book of Revelation? Great work! Perhaps THE work on the what he calls: a Redemptive-Historical Form of Modified Idealism. "The Apocalypse symbolically portrays events throughout history, which is understood to be under the sovereignty of the Lamb as a result of his death and resrurrection. He will guide the events depicted until they finally issue in the last judgment and the definitive establishment of his kingdom. This means that specific events throughout the age extending from Christ's first coming to his second may be identified with one narrative or symbol. We may call this age inaugurated by Christ's first coming and concluded by his final appearance "the church age," "the interadventual age," or "the latter days." .... Therefore, the historicists may sometimes be right in their precise historical identifications, but wrong in limiting the identification only to one histrical reality." (Intro. pages 48-49) Fr. Robert Bob,
Have you seen or read G.K. (Kelly) Beale’s NIGTC …The Book of Revelation? Great work! Perhaps THE work on the what he calls: a Redemptive-Historical Form of Modified Idealism. “The Apocalypse symbolically portrays events throughout history, which is understood to be under the sovereignty of the Lamb as a result of his death and resrurrection. He will guide the events depicted until they finally issue in the last judgment and the definitive establishment of his kingdom. This means that specific events throughout the age extending from Christ’s first coming to his second may be identified with one narrative or symbol. We may call this age inaugurated by Christ’s first coming and concluded by his final appearance “the church age,” “the interadventual age,” or “the latter days.” ….

Therefore, the historicists may sometimes be right in their precise historical identifications, but wrong in limiting the identification only to one histrical reality.” (Intro. pages 48-49)

Fr. Robert

]]> By: fundyreformed http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2008/06/03/understanding-the-land-promise-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8425 fundyreformed Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:46:14 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/?p=1013#comment-8425 Thanks NW Prodigal and Irishanglican for continuing to comment here, and to do so charitably. I agree with irish that my views on eschatology especially are open to change. I personally have not taken a position on whether the a mass repentance of the Jews is to be expected prior to Jesus' return or not. It all hinges on that little line in Rom. 11. I currently hold to something like an Idealist view of Revelation, and I also embrace amillennialism. Stay tuned for more on this issue as my posts continue to in this series. Thanks NW Prodigal and Irishanglican for continuing to comment here, and to do so charitably. I agree with irish that my views on eschatology especially are open to change. I personally have not taken a position on whether the a mass repentance of the Jews is to be expected prior to Jesus’ return or not. It all hinges on that little line in Rom. 11. I currently hold to something like an Idealist view of Revelation, and I also embrace amillennialism.

Stay tuned for more on this issue as my posts continue to in this series.

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