Comments on: The "Sinner's Prayer" Problem http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/ Reforming Fundamentalism (IFB) through Reformed Theology Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:35:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: FireSpeaks http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10927 FireSpeaks Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:53:43 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-10927 I have been dealing with just that thing, I have seen people say the sinners prayer and never step foot into church again. my question to anyone that can answer. what do I do when I see this practice in church and know its not biblical? strangely enough I just wrote about this problem I welcome any advice thoughts or prayer Your Brother in Christ Troy " FireSpeaks" Pearsall I have been dealing with just that thing, I have seen people say the sinners prayer and never step foot into church again. my question to anyone that can answer. what do I do when I see this practice in church and know its not biblical?

strangely enough I just wrote about this problem

I welcome any advice thoughts or prayer
Your Brother in Christ
Troy ” FireSpeaks” Pearsall

]]> By: fundyreformed http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10780 fundyreformed Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:09:23 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-10780 Thanks, Nancy. God bless you. Hope what you find here is helpful. Thanks, Nancy. God bless you. Hope what you find here is helpful.

]]> By: Nancyf http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10779 Nancyf Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:39:44 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-10779 Hello Mr. Fundy. I like ur writing. I found ur page this morning after reading a portion of the book: VESSEL OF WRATH- The Life and Times of CARRY NATION by Robert Lewis Taylor. I used the search words 'reformed sinners' and ur page popped up. This book said that most of these reformed sinners are the worst prudes. Although Carry must be especially repulsive by the 'dictatorship' attitude she had all her life. But this whole issue is intriqing to me as it is deeply reminding me of the people who took over so many of Southern Baptist churches and changed the policy which to me made it a 'man's thing' and not GODs. The Southern Baptist Convention churches has given the other half or side a bad reputation and severed the most important point of their beliefs and policy and that they deny their members to have a personal relationship with GOD now and must be looking at their authorities much the same as GOD. A middle-man, much the same as Catholics. Which is the church that these people's ancestors broke away from in the first place to make Baptists! One of their worst things they do as the Catholics is attempt to force their beliefs on Americans thru our law. Which is a severe violation of our civil right to privacy. Not only do they reject GOD'S words and laws, they are trying to kill Caesar. Must be trying to be a dictator or 'master' of a whole nation. Now that is reminding me of Carry Nation. I'm going to save ur link and hope to read more. Sorry I didn't put my usual 'f' on the end of my name as I didn't see the other Nancy on here 'til I already posted. Have a great weekend and thanks for this post. Hello Mr. Fundy. I like ur writing. I found ur page this morning after reading a portion of the book: VESSEL OF WRATH- The Life and Times of CARRY NATION by Robert Lewis Taylor. I used the search words ‘reformed sinners’ and ur page popped up. This book said that most of these reformed sinners are the worst prudes. Although Carry must be especially repulsive by the ‘dictatorship’ attitude she had all her life. But this whole issue is intriqing to me as it is deeply reminding me of the people who took over so many of Southern Baptist churches and changed the policy which to me made it a ‘man’s thing’ and not GODs. The Southern Baptist Convention churches has given the other half or side a bad reputation and severed the most important point of their beliefs and policy and that they deny their members to have a personal relationship with GOD now and must be looking at their authorities much the same as GOD. A middle-man, much the same as Catholics. Which is the church that these people’s ancestors broke away from in the first place to make Baptists!
One of their worst things they do as the Catholics is attempt to force their beliefs on Americans thru our law. Which is a severe violation of our civil right to privacy. Not only do they reject GOD’S words and laws, they are trying to kill Caesar.
Must be trying to be a dictator or ‘master’ of a whole nation. Now that is reminding me of Carry Nation.
I’m going to save ur link and hope to read more. Sorry I didn’t put my usual ‘f’ on the end of my name as I didn’t see the other Nancy on here ’til I already posted.
Have a great weekend and thanks for this post.

]]> By: Nancy http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-10778 Nancy Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:24:41 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-10778 Hi. I saw ur answer and I disagree. GOD does everything. As well as make some deaf, dumb, and blind. Scripture: Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Maybe GOD is trying to tell u something. :) Hi. I saw ur answer and I disagree. GOD does everything. As well as make some deaf, dumb, and blind. Scripture: Exodus 4:11
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Maybe GOD is trying to tell u something. :)

]]> By: fundyreformed http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-9780 fundyreformed Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:53:36 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-9780 Nancy, There certainly is a good use of the sinner's prayer, as you describe. What's amazing is before 1900 no one had ever used that methodology before. It wasn't about a prayer. That should give us pause to so quickly adopt this newfangled method. Anyway, thanks for dropping by. Bob Nancy,

There certainly is a good use of the sinner’s prayer, as you describe. What’s amazing is before 1900 no one had ever used that methodology before. It wasn’t about a prayer. That should give us pause to so quickly adopt this newfangled method.

Anyway, thanks for dropping by.

Bob

]]> By: Nancy http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-9778 Nancy Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:50:32 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-9778 I remember the day I was "saved", what drew me to the altar, and the day I was baptized, even what I wore that day...I can't remember "the prayer". Since that time many years ago, I have prayed the "sinners" prayer in many forms and each time affirmed the truth in my heart again and again...much like reciting the Apostles' Creed, or the Lord's Prayer...The "Sinner's Prayer" holds no magic transformational power, but confirmation of the event much like vows at a wedding... And, each time I repeat the words in whatever form they are presented...I reaffirm...Yes Lord, I do. I remember the day I was “saved”, what drew me to the altar, and the day I was baptized, even what I wore that day…I can’t remember “the prayer”. Since that time many years ago, I have prayed the “sinners” prayer in many forms and each time affirmed the truth in my heart again and again…much like reciting the Apostles’ Creed, or the Lord’s Prayer…The “Sinner’s Prayer” holds no magic transformational power, but confirmation of the event much like vows at a wedding… And, each time I repeat the words in whatever form they are presented…I reaffirm…Yes Lord, I do.

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]]> By: Albert http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7378 Albert Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:44:26 +0000 http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/the-sinners-prayer-problem/#comment-7378 Bob, Good post. I wish I had responded earlier. I think points #3 and #4 are the most misunderstood among Christians today, fundamentalist or evangelical. Like many Christians, I also had a problem with this "sinner's prayer." Question: Does today's "sinner's prayer" require the sinner to SAY the words of the prayer LITERALLY? One Sunday, our pastor had an "altar call." One lady came forward. The pastor then asked the lady to pray the prayer he was about to pray. He then started praying. After a few seconds, he stopped. He noticed that the lady was not SAYING the words of the prayer. In response, he asked the lady to SAY the prayer. Would that make a difference? Thanks Bob for another enlightening and thoroughly Biblical post. :) Bob,

Good post. I wish I had responded earlier. I think points #3 and #4 are the most misunderstood among Christians today, fundamentalist or evangelical. Like many Christians, I also had a problem with this “sinner’s prayer.”

Question: Does today’s “sinner’s prayer” require the sinner to SAY the words of the prayer LITERALLY?

One Sunday, our pastor had an “altar call.” One lady came forward. The pastor then asked the lady to pray the prayer he was about to pray. He then started praying. After a few seconds, he stopped. He noticed that the lady was not SAYING the words of the prayer. In response, he asked the lady to SAY the prayer. Would that make a difference?

Thanks Bob for another enlightening and thoroughly Biblical post. :)

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