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		<title>By: fundyreformed</title>
		<link>http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2005/12/05/my-story-critique-and-defense/comment-page-3/#comment-11421</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that, Mal.  Since I first wrote this post, my views have of course developed.  I now realize that I was raised in a classical or slightly revised dispensationalism -- the Scofield/Ryrie/Chafer variety.  There are lots of differences among dispenstationalists particularly with progressive dispensationalism.  I still am not dispensational, but I can respect progressives and certainly understand brothers who don&#039;t see eye to eye with me on that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that, Mal.  Since I first wrote this post, my views have of course developed.  I now realize that I was raised in a classical or slightly revised dispensationalism &#8212; the Scofield/Ryrie/Chafer variety.  There are lots of differences among dispenstationalists particularly with progressive dispensationalism.  I still am not dispensational, but I can respect progressives and certainly understand brothers who don&#8217;t see eye to eye with me on that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Mal Bicker</title>
		<link>http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2005/12/05/my-story-critique-and-defense/comment-page-3/#comment-11419</link>
		<dc:creator>Mal Bicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I believe there are different degrees of Dispensationalism just as there are different degrees of Reformed Theology. I have tried to steer a middle of the road course, not emphasizing either extreme. I believe in the Fundamentals of the Faith but do not see myself as a &quot;Fundy&quot;  I&#039;ve been in the heat of the battle with Liberalism from my first year in the ministry in 1956.  Dr.Martyn Lloyd Jones writings are as dear to me as 
Harry Ironside. Praise God there will be no sub labels in Heaven. Only Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I believe there are different degrees of Dispensationalism just as there are different degrees of Reformed Theology. I have tried to steer a middle of the road course, not emphasizing either extreme. I believe in the Fundamentals of the Faith but do not see myself as a &#8220;Fundy&#8221;  I&#8217;ve been in the heat of the battle with Liberalism from my first year in the ministry in 1956.  Dr.Martyn Lloyd Jones writings are as dear to me as<br />
Harry Ironside. Praise God there will be no sub labels in Heaven. Only Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: fundyreformed</title>
		<link>http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2005/12/05/my-story-critique-and-defense/comment-page-3/#comment-11003</link>
		<dc:creator>fundyreformed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura, for passing that article along.  I&#039;ll be checking it out.  That looks very thorough, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura, for passing that article along.  I&#8217;ll be checking it out.  That looks very thorough, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2005/12/05/my-story-critique-and-defense/comment-page-3/#comment-11000</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Angels = pastors view of Rev. 1:20,2, &amp; 3, I have been researching multiple elder rule vs single pastor rule of churches and came across an in-depth biblical support of the angels = angels view of Revelation 1:20, 2, &amp; 3.

&quot;The Meaning of Angels in Revelation 2 and 3&quot; by Dr. Robert Dean

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/meaning-of-angels-in-revelation-2-and-3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Angels = pastors view of Rev. 1:20,2, &amp; 3, I have been researching multiple elder rule vs single pastor rule of churches and came across an in-depth biblical support of the angels = angels view of Revelation 1:20, 2, &amp; 3.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Meaning of Angels in Revelation 2 and 3&#8243; by Dr. Robert Dean</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/meaning-of-angels-in-revelation-2-and-3" rel="nofollow">http://www.pre-trib.org/articl.....on-2-and-3</a></p>
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		<title>By: fundyreformed</title>
		<link>http://www.fundamentallyreformed.com/2005/12/05/my-story-critique-and-defense/comment-page-3/#comment-9784</link>
		<dc:creator>fundyreformed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Dondon.  Thanks for the kind regards.  Blessings to you in Christ,

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Dondon.  Thanks for the kind regards.  Blessings to you in Christ,</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Dondon Arevalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dondon Arevalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I literally cried w/ joy upon reading your story--because it conveys the same substance of what God had done to me --&gt; it&#039;s the story of God in us --&gt; it is His Faithfulness.

I&#039;m from the Philippines, and not only literal idols surrounding but all possible sort of idols you could imagine even inside the professing mainstream &#039;born-again&#039; and the mainstream christians. It&#039;s like hopelessness all around. It&#039;s religion all around.

to contemplate everything in the deepest possible theological, cultural, political perspective, it&#039;s the same all over the world. And the &#039;wisdom&#039; cries and shouts because of the gospel-famine all over the w/World/s. So many movements &amp; shiftings are happening across the globe every minute due to the differences of all sorts. This problem, is a problem of the gospel. The Gospel is Jesus Christ himself. He is the perfect example of being God-centered; they are One. 

Every single fiber of personal, corporate, political, denominational, etc --&gt; ALL problems under the sun roots from the total absence, famine, scarcity, usury of Jesus Christ; instead having GOD as the Greatest treasure in all the universe/s; the rests are just consolation; unfortunately most of the time, consolation prizes becomes idols; these idols are the differences &amp; variables i&#039;m speaking about. Surprisingly, these variables looks good; such as doctrines in worship, calvinism, faith, repentance, goodworks, grace and the rests; THEY ARE DANGEROUS to become an IDOL and can CONTAMINATE THE SOUL, NOT UNLESS WE ARE ALL CONSUMED BY HIM ALONE; all this means are not end; as God is the end of all this precious means.

Brother, we thank God for He overcame our rebellion; Oh what a great Salvation. Oh what a great Hope! What a great God we have!

God is indeed most glorified in Us while we are most satisfied in Him. He is the greatest Hope that this world has been longing and looking for!

in Christ Jesus,
Don
email: benchlopez@webmo.org
url: www.webmo.org
blog: benchlopez.webmo.org / gospel.webmo.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I literally cried w/ joy upon reading your story&#8211;because it conveys the same substance of what God had done to me &#8211;&gt; it&#8217;s the story of God in us &#8211;&gt; it is His Faithfulness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from the Philippines, and not only literal idols surrounding but all possible sort of idols you could imagine even inside the professing mainstream &#8216;born-again&#8217; and the mainstream christians. It&#8217;s like hopelessness all around. It&#8217;s religion all around.</p>
<p>to contemplate everything in the deepest possible theological, cultural, political perspective, it&#8217;s the same all over the world. And the &#8216;wisdom&#8217; cries and shouts because of the gospel-famine all over the w/World/s. So many movements &amp; shiftings are happening across the globe every minute due to the differences of all sorts. This problem, is a problem of the gospel. The Gospel is Jesus Christ himself. He is the perfect example of being God-centered; they are One. </p>
<p>Every single fiber of personal, corporate, political, denominational, etc &#8211;&gt; ALL problems under the sun roots from the total absence, famine, scarcity, usury of Jesus Christ; instead having GOD as the Greatest treasure in all the universe/s; the rests are just consolation; unfortunately most of the time, consolation prizes becomes idols; these idols are the differences &amp; variables i&#8217;m speaking about. Surprisingly, these variables looks good; such as doctrines in worship, calvinism, faith, repentance, goodworks, grace and the rests; THEY ARE DANGEROUS to become an IDOL and can CONTAMINATE THE SOUL, NOT UNLESS WE ARE ALL CONSUMED BY HIM ALONE; all this means are not end; as God is the end of all this precious means.</p>
<p>Brother, we thank God for He overcame our rebellion; Oh what a great Salvation. Oh what a great Hope! What a great God we have!</p>
<p>God is indeed most glorified in Us while we are most satisfied in Him. He is the greatest Hope that this world has been longing and looking for!</p>
<p>in Christ Jesus,<br />
Don<br />
email: <a href="mailto:benchlopez@webmo.org">benchlopez@webmo.org</a><br />
url: <a href="http://www.webmo.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmo.org</a><br />
blog: benchlopez.webmo.org / gospel.webmo.org</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very long, but well worth the read. I would be interested in discussing the pants on women issue, because I have never really heard the arguments on either side. I never thought of it as an issue people would be dogmatic about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very long, but well worth the read. I would be interested in discussing the pants on women issue, because I have never really heard the arguments on either side. I never thought of it as an issue people would be dogmatic about.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I was blessed by your letter.  I have come from a nearly identical background and was introduced to Reformed Theology by a good friend in college.  I am now a member of a wonderful church that I thank God for every day.

www.gracechurchministry.org

If you&#039;re ever in the CT area, pay us a visit!

Christ only, always,
Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I was blessed by your letter.  I have come from a nearly identical background and was introduced to Reformed Theology by a good friend in college.  I am now a member of a wonderful church that I thank God for every day.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gracechurchministry.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gracechurchministry.org</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re ever in the CT area, pay us a visit!</p>
<p>Christ only, always,<br />
Nathan</p>
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		<title>By: bro Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>bro Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
I read your testimony and found it a blessing as I did your comments and those of others prompted from the article. Although I was never part of an IFBc, my path in coming to believe in the reformed faith in terms of soteriology has been very similar to yours.  A faith I honestly knew nothing about where I was totally ignorant of church history (which sadly many folks today are) and the great cloud of witnesses we are surrounded by.  And in my ignorance I railed against the supposed evils of &quot;Calvinism&quot; and stood proudly on the famous free-will proof-texts which did nothing but give ample testimony that I really knew nothing as I should.

In time though the Spirit mercifully opened mine blinded eyes to see grace in a way I never perceived before.  And not only was grace revealed, but also more of myself and my true Adamic nature which, apart from Christ, is as black as the darkest night.  Where today, as never before, I can from my heart of hearts truly echo Paul&#039;s words in testifying that in me, that is in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.

In terms of classification, I do not consider myself as a &quot;Calvinist&quot; (I Cor 1:12 ), yet I most assuredly hold tooth and nail to the doctrines of grace.  I can see no other way as per what the Scriptures reveal from Genesis through Revelation about man&#039;s absolute and total hatred of God.  For the carnal mind is at enmity against God; that is, it is at war against God as it employs all of its weapons and fallen wisdom to exalt itself above the stars of heaven and to sit as a king on the throne of God.  Not unlink what we see manifest in a little child who throws a temper tantrum in order to get what he/she wants.  Sure, as we grow older we hopefully do not throw temper tantrums, but this in no way negates the reality that the rebellion is still there.  Rebellion that has not become less sinful, but rather more exceedingly sinful as it has been honed and perfected as the flesh learns more crafty and subtle ways to get what it wants.

I will also add that I too by God&#039;s grace been divorced from Dispensationalism.  A &quot;world view&quot; that I now believe is a doctrine of devils as it splits God&#039;s word, his people, Christ&#039;s return, and his redemptive plan into two distinct camps.  Rather, I believe the historical position of prophetic interpretation that has been held by scores throughout history with the key being that the papacy is anti-Christ (see William Mencarow on Sermon Audio for great messages on this).  In writing this I will testify that I still have myriad questions, but I rest better at night having left behind &quot;Left Behind.&quot;

My hope is that you will continue your journey as the Reformation accomplished much but it did not go all the way in purging out the leaven of Romanism.  Even today there is much Romanism creeping back into in the church.  Romanism that is not shrinking but rather growing where much of the ground gained in the Reformation through blood and tears, is being surrendered without a fight as the church in many circles is looking more and more like a daughter of Rome.  For those of the Reformed faith can shout &quot;Sola Scriptura&quot; from their pulpit, but this is meaningless if they continue to hold to the un-Biblical and Romanist traditions of men.  Case in point includes the regulative principle of worship which covers what is the proper Biblical, New Covenant way to worship God per his will and not our inventions. Rome&#039;s liturgical calendar and her &quot;holy&quot; days being a perfect case in point.

Finally, someone mentioned in one of your posts Steve Atkerson at ntrf.org.  I have never met him but have corresponded with him and read his book Ekklesia which I highly recommend.

Blessings to you -
bro Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
I read your testimony and found it a blessing as I did your comments and those of others prompted from the article. Although I was never part of an IFBc, my path in coming to believe in the reformed faith in terms of soteriology has been very similar to yours.  A faith I honestly knew nothing about where I was totally ignorant of church history (which sadly many folks today are) and the great cloud of witnesses we are surrounded by.  And in my ignorance I railed against the supposed evils of &#8220;Calvinism&#8221; and stood proudly on the famous free-will proof-texts which did nothing but give ample testimony that I really knew nothing as I should.</p>
<p>In time though the Spirit mercifully opened mine blinded eyes to see grace in a way I never perceived before.  And not only was grace revealed, but also more of myself and my true Adamic nature which, apart from Christ, is as black as the darkest night.  Where today, as never before, I can from my heart of hearts truly echo Paul&#8217;s words in testifying that in me, that is in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing.</p>
<p>In terms of classification, I do not consider myself as a &#8220;Calvinist&#8221; (I Cor 1:12 ), yet I most assuredly hold tooth and nail to the doctrines of grace.  I can see no other way as per what the Scriptures reveal from Genesis through Revelation about man&#8217;s absolute and total hatred of God.  For the carnal mind is at enmity against God; that is, it is at war against God as it employs all of its weapons and fallen wisdom to exalt itself above the stars of heaven and to sit as a king on the throne of God.  Not unlink what we see manifest in a little child who throws a temper tantrum in order to get what he/she wants.  Sure, as we grow older we hopefully do not throw temper tantrums, but this in no way negates the reality that the rebellion is still there.  Rebellion that has not become less sinful, but rather more exceedingly sinful as it has been honed and perfected as the flesh learns more crafty and subtle ways to get what it wants.</p>
<p>I will also add that I too by God&#8217;s grace been divorced from Dispensationalism.  A &#8220;world view&#8221; that I now believe is a doctrine of devils as it splits God&#8217;s word, his people, Christ&#8217;s return, and his redemptive plan into two distinct camps.  Rather, I believe the historical position of prophetic interpretation that has been held by scores throughout history with the key being that the papacy is anti-Christ (see William Mencarow on Sermon Audio for great messages on this).  In writing this I will testify that I still have myriad questions, but I rest better at night having left behind &#8220;Left Behind.&#8221;</p>
<p>My hope is that you will continue your journey as the Reformation accomplished much but it did not go all the way in purging out the leaven of Romanism.  Even today there is much Romanism creeping back into in the church.  Romanism that is not shrinking but rather growing where much of the ground gained in the Reformation through blood and tears, is being surrendered without a fight as the church in many circles is looking more and more like a daughter of Rome.  For those of the Reformed faith can shout &#8220;Sola Scriptura&#8221; from their pulpit, but this is meaningless if they continue to hold to the un-Biblical and Romanist traditions of men.  Case in point includes the regulative principle of worship which covers what is the proper Biblical, New Covenant way to worship God per his will and not our inventions. Rome&#8217;s liturgical calendar and her &#8220;holy&#8221; days being a perfect case in point.</p>
<p>Finally, someone mentioned in one of your posts Steve Atkerson at ntrf.org.  I have never met him but have corresponded with him and read his book Ekklesia which I highly recommend.</p>
<p>Blessings to you -<br />
bro Michael</p>
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		<title>By: fundyreformed</title>
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		<dc:creator>fundyreformed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jessica.  Glad to help.  Feel free to follow my blog and contact me if you have any questions or if there is any way I can help.

Blessings in Christ,

Bob Hayton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jessica.  Glad to help.  Feel free to follow my blog and contact me if you have any questions or if there is any way I can help.</p>
<p>Blessings in Christ,</p>
<p>Bob Hayton</p>
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